What do you mean? Are you taking your BBS down? Or just abandoning the echo?

It means that, as moderator, I am retiring and delisting this echo.

I downloaded a QWK packet on Friday. I downloaded the next one on Monday morning. In POLITICS, during that time:

-- there was your post that you admit was a troll to generate traffic, and some snide responses;
-- there was a post from another that was a cross-post from ALL-POLITICS

And that was it.

In ALL-POLITICS during that same time, there were several "non-troll" discussions that included at least one poster who doesn't post here.

That alone tells me that POLITICS is *redundant*. Look that word up if you don't know what it means.

Keeping the redundant echoes up is pointless. *Everyone* that regularly participates here participates in ALL-POLITICS, as well as several others
who never post here.

Yet another sign... for several weeks now, I have been posting all of my replies to traffic here in ALL-POLITICS and, from what I can tell, none
of the original posters have even noticed that the responses are in a
different echo. They just respond because they also read that echo.
So, again, this one is redundant.

My replies to this thread are the first (intentional) exception to this in several weeks. All other responses have been in ALL-POLITICS.

Why is it so important to keep this redundant echo going?


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Why is it so important to keep this redundant echo going?

I still don't know what "redundant" means. Should I try using that Googler thing?

The good thing about this echo is the "no swearing" feature. I think it's a good idea, because without a rule like that, people will get carried away and say thing a lot more ridiculous that anything I ever said.

And that Joseph guy isn't really spamming. He's just speaking his mind, and he's keeping it political. We can't require him to reply to our messages. Bjorn talked to him and he at least responded to Bjorn. (I think they might be cousins.)

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Mike Powell -> AARON THOMAS skrev 2025-05-27 15:52:

So, again, this one is redundant.

The reason this echo has evolved into the present cesspool is, of course, that the MAGA Cult members took over, never being able to keep up a civilised discussion, but always throwing name-calling and insults at anyone who dared question that their Supreme Leader was the Stable Genius he claimed to be.

They were the "grown-ups" who heard the child pointing out that the Emperor had no clothes. Rest assured, one day they will find out the truth.



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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

And that Joseph guy isn't really spamming. He's just speaking his mind,

And showing us how small it is. :)

and he's keeping it political. We can't require him to reply to our messages. Bjorn talked to him and he at least responded to Bjorn. (I
think they might be cousins.)

It's always humorous to watch two bots talk.


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Why is it so important to keep this redundant echo going?

I still don't know what "redundant" means. Should I try using that Googler thing?

Duplicate. It is a duplicate.

The good thing about this echo is the "no swearing" feature. I think it's a good idea, because without a rule like that, people will get carried away and say thing a lot more ridiculous that anything I ever said.

Except they do swear. I can ask them not to, or not to use aliases, but
they persist because they know there is nothing that can be done.

I have stopped enforcing either rule and no one has seemed to notice.

And that Joseph guy isn't really spamming. He's just speaking his mind, and he's keeping it political. We can't require him to reply to our messages. Bjor
talked to him and he at least responded to Bjorn. (I think they might be cousins.)

I never said anyone was spamming.


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They were the "grown-ups" who heard the child pointing out that the Emperor
had no clothes. Rest assured, one day they will find out the truth.

I would rather not see this particular "Emperor" without any clothes.
Yuck! :D

I agree with your general premise but would point out that one of the most active "grown-ups" took their board down and passed away shortly after, and another took their board down and disappeared. So they weren't just
avoiding here but gave up BBSing in general.

As the latter seemed to be just as good at BS'ing as anyone else, I might
be giving him too much credit calling him "grown-up," but he seemed more so than what we have now. ;)


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Except they do swear. I can ask them not to, or not to use aliases, but they persist because they know there is nothing that can be done.

I guess there's no sense in trying to moderate it, but I hope that you'll still join us for political discussions. I learned a lot of stuff from you over the years.

You helped make me the MAGA that I am today!

I have stopped enforcing either rule and no one has seemed to notice.

Yea nobody reads the rules. We're lucky if we can get people to quote messages, or even post anything at all. It might be cool to make a politics message forum on the internet. That way you really can moderate, and we can get more perspectives.

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They were the "grown-ups" who heard the child pointing out that the Emperor
had no clothes. Rest assured, one day they will find out the truth.

I would rather not see this particular "Emperor" without any clothes. Yuck! :D

I'm straight but Trump is like an aphrodisiac for me. I like to get stuff going while listening to him talk. He's a motivational speaker, even in the bedroom.

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Except they do swear. I can ask them not to, or not to use aliases, but they persist because they know there is nothing that can be done.

I guess there's no sense in trying to moderate it, but I hope that you'll still join us for political discussions. I learned a lot of stuff from you over the years.

I will still be in the other echoes. Just not this one because it will be delisted. :)

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I guess there's no sense in trying to moderate it, but I hope that you' still join us for political discussions. I learned a lot of stuff from over the years.

I will still be in the other echoes. Just not this one because it will
be delisted. :)

Yea but other sysops will still have it. Delisting an echo sounds has similarities to moderating one.

The echo is just slowing down for the warm weather. People will post in it more when winter comes back, whether it's moderated, delisted, or even if someone pours gas on it.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Yea nobody reads the rules. We're lucky if we can get people to quote messages, or even post anything at all. It might be cool to make a politics message forum on the internet. That way you really can
moderate, and we can get more perspectives.

But what Mike seems to be really saying is "I can't subvert/pervert this echo, so I need to make it go away because people are exposing my master's lies there."

It probably doesn't help Mike's ego when most of us simply ignore his messages.


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I guess there's no sense in trying to moderate it, but I hope that you
still join us for political discussions. I learned a lot of stuff from
over the years.

I will still be in the other echoes. Just not this one because it will be delisted. :)

Yea but other sysops will still have it. Delisting an echo sounds has similarities to moderating one.

Maybe, but it won't flow as well. Once it is delisted, it is removed from
the NA file. That means that new sysops won't see it listed to add it, and some "on the ball" sysops will see it not listed and remove it from their systems.

It also means that any properly confingured Synchronet hubs (and maybe
others) will soon quit listing it as available to be added when a FIDO
sysop issues an areafix command.

Best to move on to one that is still listed.


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But what Mike seems to be really saying is "I can't subvert/pervert this echo, so I need to make it go away because people are exposing my
master's lies there."

It probably doesn't help Mike's ego when most of us simply ignore his messages.

But he still can do whatever he used to always do, but the poor guy is like a traffic cop on a busy street where nobody cares about the whistle or the hand signals.

I blame the left.

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Yea but other sysops will still have it. Delisting an echo sounds has similarities to moderating one.

Maybe, but it won't flow as well. Once it is delisted, it is removed
from the NA file. That means that new sysops won't see it listed to add it, and some "on the ball" sysops will see it not listed and remove it from their systems.

This was the busiest echo on Fidonet. The major leftists are just absent right now because the witch hunt hasn't resumed yet.

Best to move on to one that is still listed.

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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

I will still be in the other echoes. Just not this one because it will be delisted. :)

I keep hearing this. *WHEN* will it be "delisted"?

Yea but other sysops will still have it. Delisting an echo sounds has similarities to moderating one.

Maybe, but it won't flow as well. Once it is delisted, it is removed
from the NA file. That means that new sysops won't see it listed to
add it, and some "on the ball" sysops will see it not listed and remove
it from their systems.

I hate to tell you this, but an echo doesn't need to be listed in the BACKBONE.NA file to be available to anybody. That document really
doesn't have much (any?) meaning any longer.

It also means that any properly confingured Synchronet hubs (and maybe others) will soon quit listing it as available to be added when a FIDO sysop issues an areafix command.

See above regarding NO REQUIREMENT to have anything to do with (any) .NA
file.

Best to move on to one that is still listed.

So you can't just leave the echo, and let somebody else be the
Moderator? Why is it "best" to move on?



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Aaron Thomas -> Mike Powell skrev 2025-05-30 00:15:

This was the busiest echo on Fidonet. The major leftists are just absent right now because the witch hunt hasn't resumed yet.

Maybe it's because all those "leftists", meaning the few remaining participants not being brainwashed by your Supreme Leader's and convicted felon's lies, gave up on trying to warn you about would happen if you ignore all the warning signs, that the entire rest of the world could see clearly, but that you refuced to see.

Now it's time for y'all to enjoy your Cool Aid while the rest of the world watches as your once self-proclaimed World Empire is going down the same way all other empires throughout human history have gone. Including Sweden in the 17th century, I might add.


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On 28 May 2025, Bj”rn Felten said the following...

The reason this echo has evolved into the present cesspool is, of
course, that the MAGA Cult members took over, never being able to keep
up a civilised discussion, but always throwing name-calling and insults
at anyone who dared question that their Supreme Leader was the Stable Genius he claimed to be.

It doesn't have anything to do with a take-over.
My people are not any louder then yours, but we are armed with facts of reality, that is one of many reasons, why we have the upper hand and the higher ground. We do not need victims, nor do we need to stand on top of these bodies proclaiming to be their leader.

I can remember a time when the liberals and yes socialists dogs too, used to outnumber people like me.
Your glory days are over and have been for a while.

*You* of all people, should know that there is a fidonet achieve, where you have gone off in ballistic fashion with name-calling and throwing around
insults. You did so again here in this very message.

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Maybe it's because all those "leftists", meaning the few remaining participants not being brainwashed by your Supreme Leader's and convicted felon's lies, gave up on trying to warn you about would happen if you ignore all the warning signs, that the entire rest of the world could
see clearly, but that you refuced to see.

Warnings for what?

Now it's time for y'all to enjoy your Cool Aid while the rest of the world watches as your once self-proclaimed World Empire is going down
the same way all other empires throughout human history have gone. Including Sweden in the 17th century, I might add.

It's not an empire. We voted for Trump because we love him. He can only be president for 4 more years and that's it. If we're lucky we'll get him for 8 extra years as Vice President.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

But he still can do whatever he used to always do, but the poor guy is like a traffic cop on a busy street where nobody cares about the
whistle or the hand signals.

I blame the left.

The Left created him. But he chooses to stay that way.


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Quoting Ron L. to Aaron Thomas <=-

Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

Yea nobody reads the rules. We're lucky if we can get people to quote messages, or even post anything at all. It might be cool to make a politics message forum on the internet. That way you really can
moderate, and we can get more perspectives.

But what Mike seems to be really saying is "I can't subvert/pervert
this echo, so I need to make it go away because people are exposing my master's lies there."

It probably doesn't help Mike's ego when most of us simply ignore his messages.

Strangely, when I tried to talk to Mike about something he was
spouting, he mentioned he was a moderator and if I didn't like what he
was spewing that I should go to some other forum.

A fair and unbiased moderator if there ever was one!

Unfortunately, I had to block him as his messages were just ~ not
relevant. Doesn't mean I don't join the conversations, just filter out
the trash.

Have a great day!

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Quoting Bj”rn Felten to Aaron Thomas <=-

Aaron Thomas -> Mike Powell skrev 2025-05-30 00:15:

This was the busiest echo on Fidonet. The major leftists are just absent right now because the witch hunt hasn't resumed yet.

Maybe it's because all those "leftists", meaning the few remaining participants not being brainwashed by your Supreme Leader's and
convicted felon's lies, gave up on trying to warn you about would
happen if you ignore all the warning signs, that the entire rest of
the world could see clearly, but that you refuced to see.
Now it's time for y'all to enjoy your Cool Aid while the rest of
the world watches as your once self-proclaimed World Empire is going
down the same way all other empires throughout human history have
gone. Including Sweden in the 17th century, I might add.

The opinon of A. Rasmusson from Sweden:

"Sweden has a different perspective of what freedom is. Americans see
freedom as being free from government influence. In Sweden a government
with low influence means slavery to corporations and insurnace
companies. Swedes would rather have freedom through high government
control. That along with a high tax that the people pay in so many
forms.

Swedes are a carefree people, in a way you could say they achieved
freedom from unneccesary worry by letting the goverment provide huge
safety nets for them. Swedes trust their government."

Sooo...

Just a point to remember ~ Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

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Strangely, when I tried to talk to Mike about something he was
spouting, he mentioned he was a moderator and if I didn't like what he
was spewing that I should go to some other forum.

"We don't take kindly to your kind up in these woods." hehe

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Maybe, but it won't flow as well. Once it is delisted, it is removed from the NA file. That means that new sysops won't see it listed to add it, and some "on the ball" sysops will see it not listed and remove it from their systems.

This was the busiest echo on Fidonet. The major leftists are just absent right
now because the witch hunt hasn't resumed yet.

No, the busiest echo is COOKING and has been for a long time. I moderated
that one for a while, too, so I know. MEMORIES was also busier until its moderator got sick (and, I suspect maybe died).

ALL-POLITICS is just as busy as this one, has all the same people, and some others that don't post here.

Best to move on to one that is still listed.

We used to have a BBS in my town called "Toys in the attic." It was a WC! boar
that was on autopilot for several years. We never did find out what happened t
the sysop, but I still logged on to it often just for fun.

Might as well. Some BBSes do well on autopilot, some fall apart pretty quick.


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I will still be in the other echoes. Just not this one because it wil
be delisted. :)

I keep hearing this. *WHEN* will it be "delisted"?

8/1 or shortly thereafter. I plan to announce it the next time I have to refresh the ECO/RUL files, which is coming up at the end of the month.

So you can't just leave the echo, and let somebody else be the
Moderator? Why is it "best" to move on?

Why keep an echo going that is redundant when there are at least *six*
others dedicated to the same topic? Some of them are currently very dead but at least ALL-POLITICS has as much traffic as this one, and has all the same participants (and then some).

I have been diverting my replies to message here to ALL-POLITICS and no one seemed to notice, or care, that the discussion moved because they read/post there, too.

Here is that list:

ALL-POLITICS Politics Unlimited
CONTROVERSIAL Controversial Topics, current events, attitudes
CROSSFIRE Politics and Current Events
DEBATE DEBATE Conference
POL_DISORDER Political Disorder Discussion Area
POL_INC Politically Incorrect

Back to the technical bits, for those interested:

Maybe, but it won't flow as well. Once it is delisted, it is removed from the NA file. That means that new sysops won't see it listed to
add it, and some "on the ball" sysops will see it not listed and remove it from their systems.

I hate to tell you this, but an echo doesn't need to be listed in the BACKBONE.NA file to be available to anybody. That document really
doesn't have much (any?) meaning any longer.

It actually does. If you are running synchronet, which you are, and are a
hub, which I am, then synchronet uses the NA file to determine whether or not
a node in "FIDO" should be allowed to areafix an echo from the NA file set
for "FIDO." If it is not in the NA file designated for "FIDO," they cannot areafix that echo.

This keeps people from requesting echoes from other networks, or doing some stupid "refresh all" command and really breaking things. You *can*
configure your system so that it doesn't use an NA but, if you are a hub, it
is *not* wise. I know from experience it is a cluster-f if you don't use
them.

Granted, you can just manually add echoes to the NA each time you refresh it, or maintain a separate NA file with the not-listed echoes, but who wants to go to that trouble?

It also means that any properly confingured Synchronet hubs (and maybe others) will soon quit listing it as available to be added when a FIDO sysop issues an areafix command.

See above regarding NO REQUIREMENT to have anything to do with (any) .NA file.

See above. Your information is not correct for hubs, especially if you are
on multiple networks.

As I told Aaron, it is best to move on to one of the other six that is still listed.


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Hello Mike!

Friday May 30 2025 11:07, you wrote to DAN CLOUGH:

Why keep an echo going that is redundant when there are at least *six* others dedicated to the same topic? Some of them are currently very

POLITICS has 6301 message since last year
ALL_POLITICS has 757 message since last year

Why not to retire ALL_POLITICS?

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It's not an empire. We voted for Trump because we love him. He can only
be president for 4 more years and that's it. If we're lucky we'll get
him for 8 extra years as Vice President.

You do realize that he just soiled himself... lol
when you made that comment about those 8 extra years..

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Mike Powell wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

Maybe, but it won't flow as well. Once it is delisted, it is removed from the NA file. That means that new sysops won't see it listed to add it, and some "on the ball" sysops will see it not listed and remove it from their systems.

I hate to tell you this, but an echo doesn't need to be listed in the BACKBONE.NA file to be available to anybody. That document really
doesn't have much (any?) meaning any longer.

It actually does. If you are running synchronet, which you are, and
are a hub, which I am, then synchronet uses the NA file to determine whether or not a node in "FIDO" should be allowed to areafix an echo
from the NA file set for "FIDO." If it is not in the NA file
designated for "FIDO," they cannot areafix that echo.

Ahhhh.... Mike. I am also a hub, in three FTN's, including Fido. Keep reading below...

This keeps people from requesting echoes from other networks, or doing some stupid "refresh all" command and really breaking things. You
*can* configure your system so that it doesn't use an NA but, if you
are a hub, it is *not* wise. I know from experience it is a cluster-f
if you don't use them.

That is absolutely a problem, but there's an easy solution, built right
into SBBS (actually sbbsecho)...

Granted, you can just manually add echoes to the NA each time you
refresh it, or maintain a separate NA file with the not-listed echoes,
but who wants to go to that trouble?

It also means that any properly confingured Synchronet hubs (and maybe others) will soon quit listing it as available to be added when a FIDO sysop issues an areafix command.

See above regarding NO REQUIREMENT to have anything to do with (any) .NA file.

See above. Your information is not correct for hubs, especially if you are on multiple networks.

Mike, you really need to look at the Wiki, specifically the terms
"echolist", and the "Keys" specifier in sbbsecho.ini, applicable to each linked node. Basically, you specify a key which points to a filename,
which is essentially a .NA file for that FTN. Then that linked node can
only see/request echos for that FTN. It's very easy to set up, and
works perfectly. It *EXACTLY* solves the problem you're describing for
hubs on multiple networks.

You're welcome. ;-)



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Don Vally wrote to Dr. What <=-

Strangely, when I tried to talk to Mike about something he was
spouting, he mentioned he was a moderator and if I didn't like what he
was spewing that I should go to some other forum.

There's nothing "moderate" about him. :)

A fair and unbiased moderator if there ever was one!

Same as the rest of the Elitsts: We want diversity, but not diversity of thought.

Unfortunately, I had to block him as his messages were just ~ not
relevant. Doesn't mean I don't join the conversations, just filter out
the trash.

I wish I could get Blue Wave for my Linux system. Multi-mail doesn't have a twit filter.


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See above. Your information is not correct for hubs, especially if you are on multiple networks.

Mike, you really need to look at the Wiki, specifically the terms
"echolist", and the "Keys" specifier in sbbsecho.ini, applicable to each linked node. Basically, you specify a key which points to a filename,
which is essentially a .NA file for that FTN. Then that linked node can
only see/request echos for that FTN. It's very easy to set up, and
works perfectly. It *EXACTLY* solves the problem you're describing for
hubs on multiple networks.

We are saying the same thing, and it points to why the BACKBONE.NA *is* important. I am using the BACKBONE.NA for the "FIDO" keyed nodes, and suspect that others do, too. I would hope they are not attempting to keep a FIDO NA file by hand.


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be president for 4 more years and that's it. If we're lucky we'll get him for 8 extra years as Vice President.

You do realize that he just soiled himself... lol
when you made that comment about those 8 extra years..

Maybe 12 more years of Trump if we can get that "third term" hehe

I think we deserve a third term because the 1st term was consumed by parasites.

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Dumas Walker wrote to DAN CLOUGH <=-

See above. Your information is not correct for hubs, especially if you are on multiple networks.

Mike, you really need to look at the Wiki, specifically the terms "echolist", and the "Keys" specifier in sbbsecho.ini, applicable to each linked node. Basically, you specify a key which points to a filename,
which is essentially a .NA file for that FTN. Then that linked node can only see/request echos for that FTN. It's very easy to set up, and
works perfectly. It *EXACTLY* solves the problem you're describing for
hubs on multiple networks.

We are saying the same thing, and it points to why the BACKBONE.NA *is* important. I am using the BACKBONE.NA for the "FIDO" keyed nodes, and suspect that others do, too. I would hope they are not attempting to
keep a FIDO NA file by hand.

Well, it is important (maybe) as a base/starter point. I've edited my
copy to remove the obvious garbage and deadwood. I have another Key
with the names of some echos that don't come from the "backbone". But
the real point here is how this keeps FTNs separated from each other
when you are a hub in multiple networks. The actual FidoNet
"BACKBONE.NA" file is not very accurate any more as to what is actually available.



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