I worked at Intel from 2011 to the end of 2019, and while I was there, I started to hear about Intel's chip manufacturing struggling and falling behind around 2018-2019 or so. TSMC's chip manufacturing process had surpassed Intel's, allowing AMD and other chip makers to make smaller transistors for their chips, and Intel struggled with that. Although Intel has tended to manufacture its own chips, I've heard Intel has now outsourced some of their chips to TSMC to make use of their process technology.
As Intel has been a behemoth in the computer industry for so long, it feels a bit surreal to me to see them seemingly fading away,
particularly since I worked there for about 8 years..
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Intel regardless of individual sympathy and nostalgia to past
employment is no different. Either they find the way (which I think
they relatively fairly try) or they can die in no time too.
That's the brutality of capitalism and hi-tech is really tight on
timing you have to ensure next major change is not missed toward your doom.
It'll still be weird to think of Intel in the past-tense when we're all typing on ARM tablets with 5G networking and some different OS. I wonder what it would take for Microsoft to *equally* support another
architeture again. Well, for as much as they supported MIPS back in the day...
As Intel has been a behemoth in the computer industry for so long, it
feels a bit surreal to me to see them seemingly fading away, particularly
since I worked there for about 8 years..
Why? IBM is not the same company it used to be in 60s. Many behemoths from those times are pure history today. Cisco today is not the company that killed Marconi and Nokia+Motorola are not ruling mobile space for a while.
Intel regardless of individual sympathy and nostalgia to past employment is no different. Either they find the way (which I think they relatively fairly try) or they can die in no time too.
It'll still be weird to think of Intel in the past-tense when we're all typing on ARM tablets with 5G networking and some different OS. I wonder what it would take for Microsoft to *equally* support another architeture again. Well, for as much as they supported MIPS back in the day...
pure fantasy today.. but it's so boring in IT with Intel+Windows for so many years.
I recently have heard of an ARM-based edition of Windows, with the full desktop experience and an Intel emulator to allow it to run Intel
software on ARM. I belive Microsoft has their own ARM-based PC with
this version of Windows pre-installed. I haven't seen many ARM-based Windows PCs yet, but perhaps they'll become more common.
I recently have heard of an ARM-based edition of Windows, with the full
Yes it's the current surface laptop's... One word of warning, "Runaway" you don't want to touch one.
Even though they look and feel like a true
windows x64 machine, they have some very anoying quirks...
Not all software works, and some even has bugs that the x64 versions don't... In this day and age with cross compiling you'd think that wouldn't be a issue... Another thing is printer driver support. You are forced to use MS's own driver and it's like going from a V8 to a mini minor, as the driver is very basic and cut down to the bone.
IBM is still around though, and they've changed their focus a bit. What
I was saying was it seems Intel is in the midst of changing right now,
so I feel like it's a bit uncertain how they will fare. Intel's big source of revenue has been its processors for so long that if they start to fail with that now, it's unknown if Intel will change their focus enough to stay in business or if they'll eventually go out of business.
Honestly I don't really feel much sympathy. To me, they're just another company who decided to let me go, and after 8+ years of service. I feel little loyalty to any company anymore. I just think it's interesting
that Intel has been such a big company for so long and now they're
facing some fairly big challenges.
I also find it equally interesting to see that dominance of Windows can be tested if non-Intel architectures start gaining more trust.
Windows is already on ARM so I don't believe it's huge issue. But if ARM+RISCV would become a nominal future for most and just intel+arm for gamers unless it's reinvented again... you never know.
2) Valve has proven you can do high-end gaming on Linux, and in fact they invested a huge amount of resources in order to develop a hardware package and the supporting software just to ensure they could keep selling games if they ever entered a conflict against Microsoft. So they no longer have the monopolly on high-end gaming because you can buy a canned Linux solution or build your own with readily available software tools.
3) Money is not in the sort of videogames you think it is. It is in crappy mobile games that run on cheap ARM devices. Look at the numbers, proper gaming is but a flea in comparison to the mighty power of the titan made of f2p crappy Android games. Wintel is already a non-player.
I don't think that means there is no market anymore for PC or console games. I think there will still be plenty of PC and console players who still want games on those platforms.
To me, Wintel still seems significant, and I've been seeing a fairly steady release of PC games. One example is Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024, which was just released last year. I bought a copy and I think it's an impressive flight simulator. Also, for flight simulation, there's X-Plane, which is available for both Windows and Linux natively.
I mean, I know two sort of people who buy PCs these days: gamers and professional users. People who does not game nor work with a computer generally canot justify the expense. Keep in mind most people hates computers. Why would they buy one if they didn't need it?
By the way, the holding that owns the rights over ARM tried to sell it and could not make it. They used it as a warranty for a titanic loan immediately afterwards - which is prety much a way to reserve the right to sell it. If Microsoft's scape pod from a Wintel apocalipse is ARM then I say they have reasons to be concerned.
But seriously, I think it is more likely theoy would try to ship Windows on AMD hardware?
1) They prety much declared they have lost the console war and they are pulling a SEGA move. This means their objective is not to sell more
Xboxes but rather to develop games for the people who won the console
war in their niche (which would be Sony).
2) Valve has proven you can do high-end gaming on Linux, and in fact they invested a huge amount of resources in order to develop a hardware
package and the supporting software just to ensure they could keep
selling games if they ever entered a conflict against Microsoft. So they no longer have the monopolly on high-end gaming because you can buy a canned Linux solution or build your own with readily available software tools.
3) Money is not in the sort of videogames you think it is. It is in
crappy mobile games that run on cheap ARM devices. Look at the numbers, proper gaming is but a flea in comparison to the mighty power of the
titan made of f2p crappy Android games. Wintel is already a non-player.
For the statement "most people hate computers", I'm not sure that's even true..? There are a lot of useful things you can do with a computer. Some examples:
I'm not sure what you mean by "make it"? And what is a "scape pod"?
Yep, but I think Nintendo won. exactly because they have the niche. (unless steamdeck is considered). Sony also ain't winning this time and push more and more software titles to PC.
I think ultimate winner is PC from highend rigs and expensive games for some to niche indies and pixel karma for a few bucks everybody can afford.
And what is a "scape pod"?
And the escape pod would be a fallback from the wintel bundles. Not that I think ARM is the fallback (as I have mentioned) but somebody else did, so...
All I'm saying is that I'm not surprised big guys disappear over a year.
My point is that Windows used to be the platform of choice for games,
and since computer sales are dropping because people can't be bothered, they are losing that market. So, from the point of view of the original thread (that it would be dangerous for Microsoft to lose Intel because
it would make it lose the gaming niche) I just feel they have bigger issues to be concerned for.
Some of these things could be done with a tablet or phone too, but I
think it can often simply be easier on a desktop PC or laptop, with a physical keyboard and bigger screen. I already have a work laptop
provided by my employer, so all the stuff I do on my PC at home is for myself. I feel like having a desktop or laptop is as essential as any other household item. But I guess I may be in the minority..
I think you're mixing your personal preferences with generalisations there. While I too will never trade in my pooty, there's a whole generation out there that pretty much haven't touched a PC .. schools work on tablets, the entire course is on tablet not a book in sight let alone a
PC. And while I too might like looking at photos on a bigger screen, there's plenty and the rest of my family would be among them, that just never go near one.
Only time I see anyone is when they want to print
something. I have a decent printer, but she's not wifi or phone friendly :)
lot faster and more accurately on a physical keybaord. But I guess
that's just not what a lot of people prefer anymore?
:) I realized a while ago I can print from my phone (and I do have a printer that can connect to my network, via eithernet or wifi). I don't print very often though, and when I do, I usually do it from my computer
- mainly because that's where I tend to save & keep my documents & such.
I generally try not to keep anything of value solely on my phone, though
I do have a lot of photos on it that I've taken with the phone camera (which I back up on my PC every so often).
lot faster and more accurately on a physical keybaord. But I guess
that's just not what a lot of people prefer anymore?
Same here. If you were born to use computer daily and typing on a keyboard is you DNA for 20+ years, mobile will never replace it..
Yeah, I suppose I might be looking at it based on my own preferences. I always thought desktops and/or laptops would always be fairly popular though.. And by "pooty", do you mean computer?
lot faster and more accurately on a physical keybaord. But I guess
that's just not what a lot of people prefer anymore?
Same here. If you were born to use computer daily and typing on a
keyboard is you DNA for 20+ years, mobile will never replace it..
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